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  MSNBC    The Last Word    News/Business.  (2013)  

    August 27, 2013
    10:00 - 11:01pm PDT  

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>> congress does need to act. >> for secretary jack lew, we are not going to be negotiating over the debt limit. >> it is debt ceiling by mid-october. >> this is the looming budget battle to defund the obama care act. >> they should be willing to defund it.
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>> i oppose obama care. >> you can't really de-fund obama care. >> in de-funding obama care. >> please, stop obama care. >> cruz has found kind of a niche. >> attack on john boehner from the far right. >> john boehner is in a pretty tough spot. >> sympathy for john boehner. >> or else they will start to call it john boehner care. >> fire, egypt, immigration, the debt. >> there must be a response. >> our borders are now better staffed and better protected. >> the fire is now 20% contained. >> it is not easy being the president. >> john boehner and the house republican leadership have been clearly sending the message that they are not willing to shut down the government at the end of september in order to force the president to agree to de-fund obama care.
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the message is simple and clear. that will not work. we can't force the president to go along with de-funding obama care. that message? simple enough has enraged some of their tea party friends and right wing radio talk show hosts. >> the republican leadership, that would be boehner, cantor and mccarthy, told the republicans they would not try to de-fund obama care through the continuing resolution, and the attempt to fight with the sequestration levels in spending, no more. this is your john boehner, ladies and gentlemen. i said several months ago, maybe i ought to repeat this. and maybe this -- rather than calling it obama care, we should call it boehner care, he won't even fight. he is -- is the word pathetic
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appropriate? i think it is appropriate. >> boehner care, oh, nothing, not a word any democrat has ever said about john boehner cut as deeply as the epithet "boehner care." that is now being thrown around by republicans. so john boehner decided if he is not going to talk tough about de-funding obama care he has to talk tough about something. and so john boehner has circled all the way back to an old favorite. the debt ceiling. he said this yesterday in boise, idaho. i have made it clear that we're not going to increase the debt limit without cuts and reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit. the president doesn't think this is fair. he thinks i'm being difficult to deal with. and leveraging the political process to produce more change than what it would produce if
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left to de-fund. we're going to have a whale of a fight. john boehner obviously thinks, a whale of a fight over the debt ceiling will help him fast the first deadline, the september 30th deadline for continuing the regular funding of government. the treasury expects to hit the debt limit a few weeks after that. but if john boehner expects a whale of a fight over the debt limit it is not going to be with this guy. >> i will not have a debate with this congress over whether or not they that pay the bills that they have already racked up through the laws that they passed. >> and if john boehner has any doubts about that, today, the treasury secretary said this. >> the president has been very clear. we are not going to be
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negotiating over the debt limit. >> is a clean debt limit with nothing attached to it the only kind the president will accept? >> yeah, i'm just going to have to reiterate, the president is not going to be negotiating over the debt limit. and congress has to act to pass the debt limit. since 1789, every congress has acted to pass the debt limit. this congress needs to do the same thing. >> you know what is the strangest thing about what john boehner said about having a whale of a fight over the debt limit? the strangest thing about that line is where he said it. he said it in boise, idaho, which would be fine if he was just coming off a vacation, riding the rapids of the salmon river, something like that. which is the kind of thing that the speaker of the house can do in the august recess in a non-election year. the speaker gets to have some real down time in august of a non-election year, but not this speaker, because this speaker is not confident that republicans
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can actually hold the majority in the house of representatives. and that is why this speaker is on a 35-day campaign bus tour, 35-day bus tour for the speaker of the house, a bus tour for the republican candidate for the house who won't even be on a ballot until next year. but that what makes it even weirder, this whole bus tour thing is that he took the bus to idaho. idaho is like the vatican of republicanism. idaho is hard-core republican country. the democrats don't have a chance of picking up a house seat in idaho. but john boehner is not there because he is afraid of democrats. his campaign energy is being used up in idaho now, fighting against an even crazier republican than the incumbent republican in the second idaho district. the incumbent will be challenged in next year's republican primary by brian smith, who said this. when asked if he would vote for
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speaker john boehner to retain his speakership? >> i can tell you that i would put in last hope in the most conservative person as it would represent the conservative values of the good people from idaho's second congressional district. >> that is a no, i won't vote for john boehner. and john boehner knows it. brian smith is being backed for the club for growth, you know the even crazier club that is backed by grover norquist. it is set up by a website called primarymycongressman.com. and brian smith clicked on that website and became a republican congressional candidate. and a top reason for the club for growth challenging -- incumbent republicans and supporting primaries against incumbent mike simpson, is that
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mike simpson voted to increase the debt limit just like john boehner asked him to after john boehner struck a deal with president obama in 2011. >> when you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white house, you know, i got 98% of what i wanted. i'm pretty happy. >> and with that agreement, job led eight term republican congressman mike simpson from the safest seat in the house straight into a primary fight with primary, congressman candidate brian smith. and that primary is going to be a whale of a fight. joining me now, our former labor secretary, robert reisch, and his new documentary comes out september 27th. and "the washington post," ezra klein.
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robert reisch, we're at that time on the calendar again where september 30th we come to the point where we have to come up with a type of legislation to continue funding the government, followed quickly by an increase in the debt ceiling. and of course, as usual, the republican threats are flying. >> well, yes, lawrence, this whale of a fight. it is interesting to conceive of john boehner having a whale of a fight with a president that is not going to negotiate. it is like shadow boxing. and who are you actually going to fight with when the president is not going to negotiate? and the president is actually right in not negotiating. bond markets are already going to be roiled by the feds tapering off the quantitative easing, if you want a chance on that on the federal debt, we'll see the bond markets go crazy,
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wall street will go crazy, all the republican patriots will come down hard on them as they did the last time. >> i want to play what jay carney said about negotiating on the debt ceiling yesterday. >> let me reiterate what our position is, and it is unequivokal, we will not negotiate on that. period. it is congress's responsibility to maintain the full credit of the united states. we have never defaulted and we must never default. that is still 100%. >> ezra klein, did you hear any wiggle room in there? >> no, the obama administration, this is actually, i think, a really important point. they have religion on this issue. they don't talk about this issue the way they kind of talk about raising taxes on the rich, or something they normally support. they are zealous on this issue. and the reason they're so committed, they believe it is a legacy issue for them. they believe to be the administration that allowed the debt ceiling to become a routine
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point of hostage negotiations and a routine point of leverage for the republicans in congress, would be to saddle them with a dangerous time bomb. they are absolutely and utterly determined to break the republican party and any party for that matter of this habit right now. they are not going to negotiate. but i tell you, that is why i'm actually more afraid of the people in washington, because you have two positions on the table. the obama position wouldn't negotiate, the republicans won't raise the debt limit. and the only way that equation works is for a certain amount of time the debt ceiling does not get raised. i think it is likelier we get
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into a kind of price mode than a lot of people do right now. >> robert reisch, is it possible that john boehner is sort of like the junky speaker of the house that he just needs a first fix today. and the first fix he needs is to continue funding the government beginning october one. which is also the crucial day where signing up for obama care begins october first. and that once he gets that vote done, and he is still sounding tough on the debt ceiling, he can then figure out a way to sound just soft enough by the time the debt ceiling comes up. >> you know, i'm sure that he is -- his strategy is really a non-strategy. >> i didn't say it was a good strategy, that is for sure. >> basically is the only strategy available to him. you just kick the can down the road as far as you possibly can. that september 30th deadline for getting some sort of budget agreement is necessary to avoid a government shutdown.
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and john boehner knows what happened to newt gingrich, when he had a shutdown. all of this is taking place, remember in the gravitational pull in the mid-terms of 2014. people know this is coming up. people know how the parties are positioned and how they're viewed is going to affect what happens in 2014. the other thing to keep in mind here, the deficit, unlike the last time republicans were threatening all sorts of things, the deficit is now a very tiny proportion of the gdp, on track to become 4% of the total economy by the end of this fiscal year. the congressional budget office is predicting 3.4% next year. this is the same as the 30-year average of a 3.4% deficit of the gdp. it is a non-issue, it should be a non-issue. >> ezra is your worry that the opponents of the debt ceiling will actually dig in stronger after they see a type of deal worked out for funding the government september 30? >> yes, it is part of that deal for funding the government. john boehner, they are going to ask, cantor said to reuters, the
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debt ceiling is a point of leverage. they're going to convince their caucus, the members, this is a good idea. and we'll get past the conference if there is any time after that. get past the continuing resolution. if there is any time, they thought they would have a couple of months before the debt ceiling. now we know we're going to have continuing resolution. that needs to be in place by october one. the debt ceiling, we hit it as a point of no return. nothing more we can do at that point. they don't have two or three months to come up with a strategy. when they do it, it is all going to be one big fight. >> ezra klein, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, vice president joe biden says that syria's government must be held accountable for its actions.
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and tomorrow marks 50 years since the march on washington, president obama will speak at tomorrow's celebration. joy reid will have a preview of what she believes the president will say. and in the rewrite tonight. a brooklyn high school student. and new york city michael bloomberg, michael kelly and the policy of stop-and-frisk. hero: if you had a chance to go anywhere in the world, but you had to leave right now, would you go? man: 'oh i can't go tonight' woman: 'i can't.' hero : that's what expedia asked me. host: book the flight but you have to go right now. hero: (laughs) and i just go?
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don't let north carolina legislators tell you they take their job seriously. they don't. each member of the general assembly is paid $13,951 per year. and they all make more money than that in their day jobs, and they legislate accordingly. they turn out legislation that is actually utterly useless, not even worth a penny of their paychecks. so north carolina voters are not getting their money's worth out of their legislators. they actually passed a law banning judges from considering
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sharia law in north carolina courtrooms. the governor then refused to sign the legislation, calling it "unnecessary." it couldn't be more obvious. but the governor also refused to veto it because he lives in fear of the crazies who have taken over his state. and refusing to veto it means that the bill will indeed become law in north carolina. the north carolina legislature will presumably be busy for years to come, banning french law from north carolina courtrooms. and british law, and mexican law. and canadian law. and swedish law. and chinese law. and russian law. and israeli law.
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today, the question remains, what kind of response can the u.s. deliver? >> the decision about the use of military force has not been made. the president is reviewing his options, plural, and obviously his options are many and they include a variety of possibilities that are not limited to the use of force. >> the administration has also said that boots on the ground is not an option the president is considering. and any possibility of u.n. sanctions military intervention remains unlikely, which of course gives them use of veto power. u.n. weapons inspectors in damascus came under attack when a sniper hit a convoy. u.n. inspectors plan to review it on wednesday and will not leave the country until sunday. joining me now, the ambassador to morocco under clinton, and
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former adviser on white house policy. and political analyst richard wolff. ambassador, is it conceivable that president obama would authorize action before the weapons inspectors have completed their work? >> yes, i believe that secretary kerry has already discounted the need for the weapons inspectors to have their report on the table before the united states action. when the secretary said yesterday that there is undeniable proof that the assad regime has used chemical weapons, he basically said they would do anything not the compromise the united states government. >> richard, we were told that
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the undeniable proof was there, they presented a version that they had. would it be incumbent on this administration to make a similar presentation, rather than just these statements? >> it is incumbent on them. and i believe they will present a classified form to congress, and a de-classified form to the american people and the world. it is easy to make the assumptions, that is the last time they engaged with the arab world. but the circumstances are so vastly different. where colin powell was really building a case on conjecture, -- absence of an account of chemical weapons, here we have international proof from the medics, the international community, that treated these
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people. and i would say that whatever the american government can present here. this is just such a different situation. and there are real victims who have shown the real symptoms of chemical weapons attacks. i understand the comparison and what the administration has to cross in terms of the bar, but they do have to make a case, yes, and it has to be compelling. >> and ambassador, don't they have to show what they consider the proof that it was assad who did this? >> yes, i have every expectation that the administration is going to do precisely what richard suggested is going to be a classified report because of intelligence sources that need to be protected. but a public document will essentially corroborate all of the independent information that has confirmed, at least from the administration's over assessment, because after all, both secretary hagel and secretary kerry have made those statements. and corroborated by the british and french, that there is indeed a sufficient amount of information out there that
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justifies, in effect, a conclusion that the assad regime engaged in this attack. >> richard, if i was hearing exactly the same sentences and they involved a republican administration, i would be hearing outrage tonight that we are rushing into this policy. that we're doing this based on trusting individuals, trusting an individual secretary of state, president, defense secretary -- >> well, john kerry, when he was running for president in 2004, liked to talk about the kind of evidence the american administration showed under kennedy, the cuban missile crisis. he held that as an example on what any american administration would do to justify action like this. so the evidence has to be convincing. >> what are they waiting for? how did they allow their rhetoric to get ahead of this presentation? >> you know, there has been a
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very strong debate in the last two years in the administration about taking action against the syrians. they have already killed hundreds of thousands of their people using their weapons. if you are going to kill your people using chemical weapons, that is what they will be discussing. can you expect this without losing american lives? >> mark ginsburg and richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >> coming up, a law abiding high school senior will tell you what it feels like to be stopped and frisked. and joy reid will join me with an idea of what the president will say in his speech tomorrow on the martin luther king jr. march on washington, i have a dream. ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business. one bucket of data for everyone on the plan, unlimited talk and text on smart phones. now, everyone's in the spirit of sharing. hey, can i borrow your boat this weekend?
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i think it is important to recognize that the african american community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences. and a history that -- that doesn't go away. >> that was the president last month talking about trayvon martin. the president will have more to say about the african american experience tomorrow at the 50th anniversary of the march on washington. he will be speaking from the same spot where martin luther king jr. delivered his famous "i have a dream" speech. on tom joyner's radio show, the president game some insight on what to expect on his speech tomorrow. >> is it ready? >> not quite yet. still working on it.
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but let me just say for the record right now, it won't be as good as the speech 50 years ago. and so you know, all i can do on an occasion like this is just to celebrate the accomplishments of all of those folks whose shoulders we stand on. and then remind people that you know, the work is still out there for us to do. and that we honor his speech, but also more importantly, in many ways the organization and the ordinary people who came out for that speech. we honor them, not by giving another speech ourselves, because it won't be as good. but instead by just doing the day to day work, making sure this is a more equal society. >> joining me now from washington, msnbc's joy reid, and associate professor of
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political science and a fellow at the roosevelt institute. joy, where are you going to be for the speech, and what do you expect to hear there? >> well, lawrence, i'll be at the historical museum, just -- i'm a history nut. you can't oversell the gravity of standing there in the lincoln memorial, of the president giving a speech on that day, the 50th anniversary of the march on washington. >> and dorian, given what we know, he has had to study this, on martin luther king jr.'s speech forward or even possibly beyond that. what do you think he is going to be collecting and using in this speech? >> i imagine he is going to first talk about some of the statistics of remaining disparities, not just racial issues, but work, and the march on washington for jobs. a. philip randolph famously in
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1941 threatened franklin roosevelt with a 100,000 person march to get them to issue an executive order to get them to obsession the defense industry. and frankly, i hope he takes his own advice as he mentioned today. and not just give a speech. but the president has the power to take action to lift two million workers, at poverty level, has the power to change it with the stroke of the pen. >> tom joyner asked him today what he thinks martin luther king jr. would say today about
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what has become of his dream. let's listen to that. >> when it comes to the economy, when it comes to inequality, when it comes to wealth. when it comes to you know, the challenges that inner cities experience, he would say that we have not made as much progress as the civil and social progress that we've made. and that it is not enough just to have a black president. it is not enough just to have a black syndicated radio show host. the question is, as an ordinary
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person, day to day, can they succeed? and we have not made as much progress on that as we need to. and that is something i spend all of my time thinking about, how can we get them to work? >> and it was optimistic. right, the scripted remark that dr. king was planning to deliver a few years ago tomorrow were actually quite an indictment on the american sort of system are not really forming that more perfect union that president obama talked about a lot. and you know, i think this is a president that -- he sees the issue of racial and social justice through policies. so you can expect him to couch the idea of policy in the march, that was about jobs and economic justice. and this is a white house that really does believe that their economic policies, the health care reform, the head start,
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pre-k education, that these things actually are advancing social justice. and they will probably see that argument expressed by the president tomorrow. >> and dorian, the president has not gone out of his way to lower expectations for a speech the way he did with tom joyner, that he really had to do. he is the greatest speaker in our elected history, but he knows this one is a very tough one to stand on the steps. >> that is right, your colleague, al sharpton, said he can't march on himself. he is a president. he plays a different role. he is very smart to lower expectations. i will be very interested to see how much he talks about not only racial justice, but more. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. msnbc will air martin luther king jr.'s "i have a dream speech" in its entirety tomorrow night, exclusively at 8:00 eastern and again at 11:00 p.m. eastern. coming up, the people who say stop-and-frisk is not unfairly treating new yorkers has never actually been stopped and frisked. certainly not as many times as this man, his story is in the
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our crime strategies and tools, including stop, question, and frisk have made new york city the safest big city in america. >> new york city and its police department have focused their crime fighting efforts to protect the poorest members of our community. who are disproportionately the victims of murder and other violent crime. >> but what if the nypd's widespread use of stop-and-frisk violates the united states constitution? that was the question before federal judge sheindlin, not how effective the stop and crime tool was. that was not the question before the judge. the question was dealt with in the case where stop-and-frisk was not proven to be a useful
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crime fighting tool. it was actually shown to be a surprisingly ineffective crime-fighting tool with a constitutional problem. the frisk part of to being and frisking is all about guns. when police reach into an african-american teenager's pocket, that is what they're hoping to find. that is the goal of stop and frisk. taking a gun off the street. or any other deadly weapons like knives. but no weapon is as deadly as a gun. so a gun is the goal. of course, the cops are perfectly happy to find drugs in those pockets to justify their stopping and frisking. but the cops have almost all used those same drugs themselves. the very same drugs in their teenage years. and they know that pulling a few joints out of a kid's pocket is not exactly stopping a major crime in progress.
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but in the nypd's vast stop-and-frisk program, which could be called the nypd's get the guns off our streets program, exactly 1.6% of the frisks have produced weapons of any kind. and the statistics show that the white people who are stopped and frisked are 40% more likely than black people to have one of those weapons. a whopping 1.4% of white people frisked by the nypd were revealed to be carrying a weapon of some kind, not all of which were guns. while only 1% of black people stopped by police were found to be carrying a weapon, it is that astonishingly low yield that the mayor and the police commissioner want to preserve and protect. and if it violates the constitution to them it is still worth preserving.
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and if stop-and-frisk violates basic human dignity, it is still worth destroying. it is worth maintaining the relationship with the police department, never mind that the best crime fighting tool of them all is uniting the community support for law enforcement which can only happen in communities that believe that the police respect them and are really there to serve and protect them. today, the city of new york filed a request in court that the implementation of judge sheindlin's opinion be delayed pending appeal. the city's lawyers said the decision was "rife with errors of law." i don't think it is. i think the judge wrote a 195-page thoughtful, careful opinion, which taught us a lot on how the new york city law is being used and abused. but the most important lessons
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that i have used about stop and frisk all come from people who have been stopped and frivged. there was the discussion of his opinion on this program. i want to introduce you to kaseem walters, a brooklyn high school senior who has been stopped and frisked at least eight times. he told his story to communities for united police reform. >> the first time i was stopped and frisked, i was about 13 years old. i was of course leaving my house on the way to school to pick up a friend. my friend lives about maybe a block and a half away from me. and i was walking up the block. i made the left on new york avenue and was just waiting outside. and the cops just pulled up. they were like oh, what are you doing? they were like he lives here?
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they went through in boot bag, through my stuff on the -- threw my stuff on the ground, telling me where i would end up. they both became very aggressive. searching in my pockets, turning me around, pushing me, forcing my legs open. yanking me. so at that moment, i don't know, i mean, i definitely was frightened. and confused, you know. the thing that changed for me first is the way i looked at police. i couldn't look at them the same. i remember. it was bad to the point i got robbed, i didn't call the police. they scare you. they instill this fear in you and it forces you to have the mindset that you're a criminal. so you wake up, am i going to get stopped? maybe i should not wear a hoodie. if i see a cop do i cross the street? should i stay on the street. you shouldn't have to be
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paranoid about it. i shouldn't have to be afraid of my community. after that point in time, i have probably been stopped and frisked seven times. you know, i had a friend i was leaving the supermarket. and he got stopped and frisked. i had friends stopped and checked for drugs, i had had a friend who was walking with a limp. i guess because he had a limp, they thought he had a type of fight. so they stopped him. the list goes on and on. it made me realize this is not a going to school problem. this is a neighborhood problem. you're a young african-american yale problem. if it happens to you once, you probably won't get it. if it happens to you under a random circumstance, you won't get it. but you have to understand that
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there are people who have been stopped over ten, 20 times. and it is just something, dehumanizing. nobody wants to go through that. especially when it is done in public, in front of family members, in front of your own son or daughter or your own friends. i think the police's job is to get to know us. to make us feel like we can go to them to make us feel like when we see them we don't have to walk across the street. when we can see them. we can say what is up? and without them thinking we mean it sarcastically, when you see them, you shouldn't feel
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like you're a target. that is the main goal, we should feel like citizens of new york and not criminals. >> when a good kid like walters tells his stories of encounters with new york city cops, at least one of them, at least one story should be a story of courtesy, professionalism, and respect. hero: if you had a chance to go anywhere in the world, but you had to leave right now, would you go? man: 'oh i can't go tonight' woman: 'i can't.' hero : that's what expedia asked me. host: book the flight but you have to go right now. hero: (laughs) and i just go? this is for real right? this is for real? i always said one day i'd go to china, just never thought it'd be today. anncr: we're giving away a trip every day. download the expedia app and your next trip could be on us. expedia, find yours.
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minority leader mitch mcconnell, it was funded by a group of conservatives. >> career washington politician mitch mcconnell claims to be a conservative. would a conservative cut a back deal with the obama administration raising the debt ceiling by 4.2 trillion? no, but mcconnell did just that. and would the conservative effort lead the effort to fund obama care in washington? absolutely not. but that is exactly what mitch mcconnell is up to now. after 20 years of claiming to be a conservative, but then complaining big government policies, isn't it time that the conservatives dumped mitch mcconnell? >> and in the ad, it is just the words, the ad by the conservative madison project pact is the first outside spending by mitch mcconnell in his primary race. the campaign spokesperson told
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"the washington post," apparently matt bailout bevin has friends in washington that concluded the conservative government was not half as important as making money off the campaign. david dickerson, the head of the tea party in kentucky said "i don't know where the senior senator gets off. it appears to me that first of all they're saying that matt bevin is not legitimate and the people supporting him are not legitimate. it looks like if you're an opponent of mitch mcconnell, you're just not legitimate." joining me now, krystal ball. i have a question, matt bevin bailout, why did he say that? >> he had a business that was destroyed by a fire, and at the request of state and local
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officials he took state grants. >> he took what? >> government money, i know, unbelievable. horrifying, a government handout. "bailout bevin." you have to say, though, he is historic at this. >> and the republican leader of the senate is having to deal with this and it is a serious threat. >> it is a serious threat. . i love that he went out and called the supporters "fringe." because this is his base, these are people he created. and the obama care de-funding program has become a litmus test for those on the right. he was the one that raised the obama care in the fiscal cliff negotiations we had at the beginning of the year. he is convincing people that the obama care implementation is the end of the world. so he only has himself to thank for making people believe that obama care is the end of the world. >> that is correct, he has himself to thank for stimulating this crazy section of the party.
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>> that is exactly right, and ultimately, i think mitch mcconnell will probably win the primary. but that doesn't mean he won't be bruised and battered come the general election in the fall. we've seen these types of tea party contenders who seem like they don't have a shot. and if we can get momentum, can get traction, you never know. one thing mcconnell has going for him is because of his relationship with rand paul and because of the power he wields, were unlikely to see the club for growth and some of the larger organizations get involved. at least he has that going for him. >> but he is dissing these people, mcconnell says you're not legitimate if you challenge mcconnell.
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>> they say he is part of the liberal elite looking down his nose at you good people, speak for the majority. >> krystal ball, thank you for joining us. >> thanks, lawrence. bread line for the right. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm kris matthews in washington. he has done it to damascus, now he is doing it here. president obama today drew a red line here at home. any republican who tries to bring this country into the default, fails to pay interest on the national debt is the enemy. there will be no deals, the president says, no talks, no schmoozes, no bedtime stories, no nothing. you are cut off. america will pay its debts. it will not default. it will nost